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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 17, 2011 10:43am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: more numbers - unsustainable - why do this?

Pepper-sprayed woman gets mayor's apology!

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published Novemeber 17, 2011
By Mike Lindblom and Lynn Thompson
Seattle Times staff reporters

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Mayor Mike McGinn said he's sorry police pepper-sprayed peaceful Occupy Seattle demonstrators, after a photo of 84-year-old demonstrator Dorli Rainey's dripping face went viral. But the apology didn't satisfy protesters who say the police response has been "excessive."

"To those engaged in peaceful protest, I am sorry that you were pepper-sprayed," McGinn said in a statement Wednesday, Nov 16. The mayor said he has spoken with Rainey.

The confrontations began Tuesday afternoon after demonstrators blocked downtown intersections, delaying commuters. As far back as Oct. 8, police have followed a policy of keeping streets clear, by arrest if necessary.

McGinn said he and Police Chief John Diaz are reviewing two pepper-spray incidents from Tuesday and developing procedures to ensure "appropriate commanders" are on hand at future protests.

Diaz couldn't be reached Wednesday, and police spokesman Sgt. Sean Whitcomb declined to comment, saying, "We'll defer to the mayor." Sgt. Rich O'Neill, head of the police union, did not return calls for comment.

Police said they used pepper spray to disperse a crowd in Belltown, while arresting a 17-year-old girl who swung a stick at officers. Protesters regrouped on Fifth Avenue at Pine Street. "Pepper spray was deployed only against subjects who were either refusing a lawful order to disperse or engaging in assaultive behavior toward officers," said the department's online statement. read the full article on-line

interview with Dorli Rainey on Nov 17, 2011
watch | listen | read the transcript

84-year-old retired Seattle school teacher named Dorli Rainey was pepper-sprayed in the face during a protest.. Rainey was born in Austria and moved to the United States in 1956 after working as a technical translator in the U.S. Army in Europe. She briefly campaigned to run for mayor in Seattle in 2009.

According to Occupy Seattle organizers, a priest and a pregnant teenager were also pepper-sprayed that Tuesday night.

DORLI RAINEY: Good morning. Thank you for having me on.

I am a member of Occupy Seattle. I spent five days in D.C. with the October 2011 group, which was a wonderful thing to go to, and I hope to go to that group again in March.

I got pepper-sprayed because we were penned in by the motor — by the bicycle groups, until there was no way out. And the minute the people had us penned so tightly that we could barely move, they started letting loose with the pepper spray. And it was not just a few people that were targeted. When you look at the pictures, you will see that the pepper spray fog and the stream of pepper spray is all over.

My problem is not only with police brutality, it is with the progressive getting worse attitude of the police. I was tear-gassed — and thank you, Norm Stamper — in Seattle when the WTO was there in Seattle. And I also was in a workshop with Arundhati Roy when she was in Seattle for the WTO. These locations, while they were pretty violent outside, were not nearly as bad as what we see now. It is getting progressively worse. Our freedoms are getting curtailed. And I just listened to the press being banned at Wall Street — this in a country where we export our sort of democracy all over the world at gunpoint.

And what we have to do is change the mindset of people that guns will not solve our crisis. The President going to Australia to introduce troops into Australia, I fear for Australians, because, sooner or later, they will be occupied like our troops are occupying practically half of the world. Once the troops get there, there’s no getting them out.

complete interview with Dorli Rainey on-line, Nov 17, 2011

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 18, 2011 6:58am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: For the sheeple who support the OWS

check this out! >>
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-ows-demands/

Here's the Ignorant SOCIALIST/COMMIE BULLSHIT that first caught my eye >>

* Make homeschooling illegal,
religious fanatics use it to feed their children propaganda.

* Ban the private ownership of land.
* Ban private gun ownership.

* Open the borders to all immigrants, legal or illegal. Offer immediate, unconditional amnesty, to all undocumented residents of the US.

* Immediate debt forgiveness for all.

Like I and many ask...what's the OWS "end game" ??

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 18, 2011 8:59am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: For the sheeple who support the OWS

OWS has no desire to accomplish anything of substance. They just want to disrupt and divide this country.


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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 18, 2011 7:37am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: For the sheeple who support the OWS

educate yourself (youtube) >> http://tinyurl.com/7vpvwao

In the "Comments" >> "Look. Lets be clear here. It is not capitalist but corporatist's. There is a very real and distinct difference. I think everyone at the OWS camps should play this video so we can all quit fighting with each other and get to the real truth of the matter.

Watch this video to find out who the real enemy is in this country and to the world. These guys are the real terrorists. These are the people we HAVE TO TAKE DOWN before ANYTHING CHANGES. WAKE UP OWS. Capitalism is not the problem."

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 18, 2011 8:19am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: For the sheeple who support the One Percent

Rastamon, check this out! >>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Here's the Ignorant FASCIST BULLSHIT that first caught my eye >> according to Merriam Webster's dictionary, the definition of Fascism is:
A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation , and forcible suppression of opposition.

Okay, let me add a few items here, and I'll put them in parentheses.

A political philosophy (U.S. Congress), movement (Tea Party), or regime (the greedy one percent) that exalts nation and often race above the individual (the 99 percent) and that stands for a centralized autocratic (lobbyist-run) government headed by a dictatorial leader (like dubya-Bush), severe economic (austerity) and social regimentation (Patriotic Act), and forcible suppression of opposition (OWS free speech).
imo, I "imagine" that Socialism is better than Fascism. I'm with Jerry Garcia:
What we're thinking about is a peaceful planet. We're not thinking of anything else. We're not thinking about any kind of power. We're not thinking about any of those kinds of struggles. We're not thinking about revolution or war or any of that. That's not what we want. Nobody wants to get hurt. Nobody wants to hurt anybody. We would all like to be able to live an uncluttered life, a simple life, a good life and think about moving the whole human race ahead a step. -- Jer comments made in The Hippie Temptation documentary, 1967.

• My proudest Grateful Dead moment was their unscheduled Free Benefit Show at M.I.T.'s Kresge Plaza on May 6, 1970, in repsonse to the Kent State Massacre.

• My second proudest Grateful Dead moment(s) was their involvement in protecting our environment for all of us, especially for future generations. In response to Greenpeace asking Jer for financial help on August 7, 1977, the Jerry Garcia Band played a Benefit for Greenpeace, with Maria Muldaur, at Pier 31, San Francisco, on August 12, 1977. GD's passion for our Earth peaked on September 13, 1988 when Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, and Mickey Hart, and the director of Cultural Survival, and the Chairman of Greenpeace USA, and the Director of the Rainforest Action Network sat down at the United Nations. They alerted the world's press to the horror of the vanishing rain forest.

When asked why the Grateful Dead was getting into the act and helping to publicize the plight of the rainforest, Jerry Garcia answered in his style
"It seems pathetic that it has to be us [Grateful Dead], with all the other citizens of the planet, and all the other resources out there, but since no one else is doing anything about it, we don't really have any choice." (read more in Monte's Taper Handbook)

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 18, 2011 8:28am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: For the sheeple who support the One Percent

I'm not concerned with the Tea Party, I'll pick and choose their pluses, and discard the rest. Also the same with the OWS.
I'm all for free speech, as long as it's NOT an illegal assembly or "occupation" and violent. I'll listen to all, then VOTE in who I think is relevant to my beliefs.

"What we're thinking about is a peaceful planet. We're not thinking of anything else.

We're not thinking about any kind of power. We're not thinking about any of those kinds of struggles.

We're not thinking about revolution or war or any of that. That's not what we want.

Nobody wants to get hurt. Nobody wants to hurt anybody. We would all like to be able to live an uncluttered life, a simple life, a good life and think about moving the whole human race ahead a step"

That's a good quote! It includes, to me, our Constitutional Republic and Capitalism - as it was meant to be.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 18, 2011 1:46pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Cockupy Ballstreet

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/occupy-pensacola-furniture-theft-674319

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/wall-street-unoccupied-nowhere-go

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/17/ows-protesters-chant-follow-those-kids-as-small-children-try-to-go-to-school-on-wall-street/

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/17/early-video-of-obama-surfaces-from-harvard-law-school-era/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-illinois-unemployment-rate-rises-to-101-20111118,0,1678223.story

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45356640

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/pay-to-play-brought-to-you-by-washington/2011/11/18/gIQAdC45XN_story.html?hpid=z3

enjoy

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 18, 2011 2:02pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: For the sheeple who support the One Percent

Please explain to me the benefits of unfettered capitalism. I don't quite understand the intracies of the invisible hand and how it promotes individual freedoms and liberty. Then again, I don't understand how corporations are people...

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Nov 18, 2011 10:42am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: For the sheeple who support the One Percent

Sorry Monte - Dubya (while not my favorite President) was no where near the dictotrial level you claim so please stop with that!

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 18, 2011 12:39pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: For the sheeple who support the One Percent

I didn't claim 'any' "dictatorial level". I said "government headed by a dictatorial leader (like dubya-Bush)".

Now that you mention it, maybe I should have said, "government headed by a dictatorial leader (like dubya-Bush) -- The George W. Bush presidential administration (2000 - 2008) was infamously known for bullying Congress."

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Nov 18, 2011 4:14pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: For the sheeple who support the One Percent

Ya bush really bullied that congress! wtf was it high school those congessmen and women could not think and act for themselves? Ya really bullied and u meant to imply bush was a dictator, sorry those comparisons don't work, bush was no mao or Stalin or Fidel! Those guys were and still are brutal dictators!

This post was modified by deadhead53 on 2011-11-19 00:12:22

This post was modified by deadhead53 on 2011-11-19 00:14:44

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 30, 2011 4:35am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Fascism for the sheeple who support the One Percent

The radical move towards Fascism that Bush, Cheney, and Alberto Gonzalez started, the Obama Administration vows to continue full-steam ahead! The U.S. "Justice System" will likely take another HUGE STEP toward Fascism TODAY by approving Torture and Indefinite Detention for U.S. Citizens who live inside the U.S.A.

The U.S. Senate could vote as early as today on a Pentagon spending bill that could usher in a radical expansion of indefinite detention under the U.S. government. A provision in the National Defense Authorization Act would authorize the military to jail anyone it considers a terrorism suspect — anywhere in the world — without charge or trial. The measure would effectively extend the definition of what is considered the military’s "battlefield" to anywhere in the world, even within the United States. Its authors, Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan and Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, have been campaigning for its passage in a bipartisan effort.

This new spending Bill includes another separate provision that would repeal the executive order banning torture. The use of torture by the U.S.A. violates U.S. Law, and violates International Treaties against Torture - to which the U.S.A. has signed.

The White House has issued a veto threat, with backing from top officials including Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, and FBI Director Robert Mueller. “This would be the first time since the McCarthy era that the United States Congress has tried to do this,” says Daphne Eviatar. Human Rights First has gathered signatures from 26 retired military leaders urging the Senate to vote against the measure.

The measure was inserted into the full military spending bill after the Armed Services Committee quietly approved it without a single public hearing. Now Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has set today as a procedural vote day to advance the legislation. The National Defense Authorization Act legislation is 680 pages long. One reason this has been able to get through so quietly is that the controversial provisions are just three or four provisions within this huge package.

U.S. citizens who believe in Democracy and Justice should be concerned about creating a system of indefinite military detention within the United States by statute. This would be the first time since the McCarthy era that the United States Congress has tried to do this. In the 1950’s, that was actually repealed before it was ever used. But, in this case we have seen the Bush and Obama administrations very eagerly hold people without trial for 10 plus years in military detention. So there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t continue to do that here. So we’re talking about indefinite military detention of U.S. citizens, of lawful U.S. residents as well as of people abroad, simply for being suspected.

This is military custody without trial. It's what we have in Guantanamo Bay and at the U.S. Base at Bagram (in Afghanistan). Only now we’re expanding the battlefield of The War on Terror to the United States. Some members of Congress have said recently the battlefield now is the United States as well, and the U.S. military ought to be able to operate here as well. Another very controversial provision in the bill and what the administration has particularly objected to, is the mandatory military custody provision which would say anyone suspected of terrorism in any way connected to Al Qaeda would have to be put into military custody. So, the government wouldn’t even have the option. So, all these FBI investigations that are thwarting terrorist attacks and local police investigations, immediately that would have to be turned over to the U.S. military, and that would become a military action here in the United States, on U.S. soil.

Battlefield America: U.S. Citizens Face Indefinite Military Detention in Defense Bill Before Senate
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/29/battlefield_america_us_citizens_face_indefinite

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 30, 2011 5:23am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Fascism for the sheeple who support the One Percent

can't argue with you there. One of my fav pundits, Alex Jones, has been warning about this for years. Another pundit I enjoy completely blew Nit and Newt out of the water and has previously said Bush was the worst president we've ever had. You think true teaparty conservatives like the current repeblican rabble running? LOL! Newt(like Perot was) is owned by democrat interests to divide the republican vote and usher in more Obama. DUH! Herb Cain? Slaughtered by the govt media machine, they put that "N" in his place. Anyone with half a brain can see the lynching he got for not being part of the Obama Plantation. So elect the usual BULLSHIT slimy politicians you fucking sheeple! Any fresh air will be demonized...BAAAA-OBAMA,,,BAAAA-PELOSI! (dumbfucks!)

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 18, 2011 11:40am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: For the sheeple who support the One Percent

No, but there was that Cheney fellow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXAzAgb4pA